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businesses that helps society. what is conscious capitalism and how does it differ from what many of us would call plain old wonderful capitalism? >> guest: first to understand we think business is good. and it's has a great value but it can be better. it has a greater potential that is realized. and when you understand when you look at the gallup poll for example, it shows big business in the united states has an approval rating of 19%, 81% do not approve of business. when you see that even in the congress is 17%, which is about the same level only a couple of points below, you realize that people have lost confidence in business. and then narrative about business and capitalism has really been controlled by the enemies of business and capitalism. if you study history you will see business people have always been held in sustained throughout of history if a lot of business wasn't done by the elite, they were done by common trade and business was something that fell on the shoulders of minorities such as the west and in the east the chinese who through hard work and enterprise often made a su
mother we as a culture need to understand that we have today come from people that came before us you begin to understand the traits we have about consumption that's understanding the news as a form of entertainment and these are radical notions from his time that we inherited and had taken on to build our society. the other thing that is important and we need to think about it in the changes going on camera over and over again the newspaper business is not just a business. it's to public-service aspect of a democracy cannot function without an informed public that somebody has to be at the school board meeting at 2:00 in the morning to who is going to build the next school and as the press shrinks' today there are no people at those meetings keeping an eye on things and they like the darkest recesses of our society. we know about the hardships about poverty whether we want to or not. we know about corruption and the government because of the press and we know what is on the public agenda and sometimes too much like the fiscal cliff we hear about over and over again that these are imp
for us, the golden number in all demographics is 2.1. it's the replacement rate. in order for society to maintain the population. the average woman has two have 2.1 children over the course of her lifetime. if they have more than that. the society's population grows. if she has fewer then over time the population contracts and dismirning. -- diminishing. >> to some extend the process has been going on for centuries. the fact that birthrates have been going down. >> right. you could see in america the first good data it comes in 1800. from almost the founding you are able to see the fertility rates declining. by the time we hit the second world war we were around the replacement rate of 2.1. 2.2. immediately after the second world war we had the only major increase in fertility rate. that was the only one in history, that's the baby boom. that's the term that hit us, everybody knows about it. it was a remarkingble moment, not only did it increase quite, it went as high as 3.7, i think, for white americans and 3.9 for black americans. not only did it jump up, it stayed up for an entire
life and better because of the way he was taken from us because of racial hatred in this country and i don't know, guess we can start at the beginning because at the beginning of the book you are on the mall was dr. king and you're the end of the book you are on the mall again, 50 years later, with his monument which you helped to design. >> guest: and in between coming back for many times on an important occasion to the mall. it seems like even though i lived in washington for a short time, the mall seemed to be a place that had such great symbolic meaning for my life. >> host: and sentimental. >> guest: and sentimental. every time mike come back i have all these memories. >> host: you were 19 years old in 1963 and you are on the mall in the march in washington where dr. king gave that iconic speech, gates -- i have a dream. how did you happen to go there? >> guest: part of of it was i grew up in a small town where there weren't very many black people. they were three black families growing up in southern new mexico so i was fascinated by what was the black community like and i didn't
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